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i think joe biden did. but ryan did have that one good line on taxes, raising fear about increases in middle class taxes. >> there are a couple of shots taken, like you bring in a foreign object to a wrestling match. one was you're under duress. also the one comparing joe biden's gaps, which are usually harmless, with what the president was heard saying in terms of the 47-minute expose. to compare those two seems ludicrous. >> well, it seems ludicrous, chris, but i think it was effective to the extent that it's an irresistible sound bite. it's an irresistible exchange. but joe biden got the last word there, sort of. he said, well, when i speak, i'm telling the truth. you know, when i misspeak, i'm saying what i really believe. what he needed to say further was that's what mitt romney really believes. >> he did. he did say that. >> yeah, he did say it. >> when i say it, i mean it, and this guy does too. that's the dangerous stuff. anyway, thank you, howard. we'll see you later tonight. >> play the whole soun
i think joe biden did. but ryan did have that one good line on taxes, raising fear about increases in middle class taxes. >> there are a couple of shots taken, like you bring in a foreign object to a wrestling match. one was you're under duress. also the one comparing joe biden's gaps, which are usually harmless, with what the president was heard saying in terms of the 47-minute expose. to compare those two seems ludicrous. >> well, it seems ludicrous, chris, but i think it was...
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i wish we had joe biden, instead of close captions, you had joe biden interpreting everything that paul ryan said. it would be great if we had joe biden comments. it's important to not let these candidate get away showing that their actions don't -- they are playing politics all the time. >> yeah. and another favorite moment for me, dana, was the jack kennedy moment when ryan struggles to defend romney's tax plan. >> how is that? >> you can cut tax rates by 20% and still preserve these preferences for middle class workers. >> not mathematically possible. >> it has never been done before. >> it has been done a couple times before. >> jack kennedy -- >> oh, now you're jack kennedy? >> done exactly right and is absurd. >> you know, i think the republicans that i saw during the debate and after were saying, that was rude he wasn't allowing him to talk? you know, what's wrong with that? i like the idea that he was doing the constant interjex. it was getting under ryan's skin. it was rattling him. what's wrong with the grimmaces, the constant heckling? the policies were one thing and i think
i wish we had joe biden, instead of close captions, you had joe biden interpreting everything that paul ryan said. it would be great if we had joe biden comments. it's important to not let these candidate get away showing that their actions don't -- they are playing politics all the time. >> yeah. and another favorite moment for me, dana, was the jack kennedy moment when ryan struggles to defend romney's tax plan. >> how is that? >> you can cut tax rates by 20% and still...
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whether you like joe biden or don't like joe biden and the polls show the country divided on that and people feel hot one way or the other, you would like his gesticulation. democrats needed to turn the page on the last debate with the president. take real punches at republican talking points and set the stage for obama on tuesday. the presidential debates are the ones that people actually use to make decisions. it's not the vice presidential one. it can change a conversation and set the table for the presidential one. >> what i found interesting about this, it was substantive. i think if you really listened to what they said, and you didn't have to go back to the transcript, though i would agree there were parts that were pretty complicated. could you follow if this was your business, if you're a regular american, it might have been tougher, but you saw very clear distinctions between the policies of these two candidates and the men they were representing. yet, there is a lot of talk about the gesticulating. >> hospitals and nursing homes are going to go out of business because of th
whether you like joe biden or don't like joe biden and the polls show the country divided on that and people feel hot one way or the other, you would like his gesticulation. democrats needed to turn the page on the last debate with the president. take real punches at republican talking points and set the stage for obama on tuesday. the presidential debates are the ones that people actually use to make decisions. it's not the vice presidential one. it can change a conversation and set the table...
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that was a moment for joe biden to be folksy joe biden and say, guys, everybody out there, who do you trust? we're leveling with you here. it was sort of that plain talk joe biden. i think it worked for him. >> it relates to the gaffe in joe biden when he looks in the camera and says something, this is what he really means. he always says what he really means, even if it's inappropriate. talk about appropriate, paul ryan must have drank a gallon of water during the debate. it was so strange, it seemed every other cutaway, at least in the first half of the debate he's drinking down some water. >> as a quasi marathoner, i think it's probably something he's used to doing. there's one thing about taking a sip of water and another thing to be doing the, you know, rinse and spit in the dentist chair routine. he wasn't sort of drinking. he was swishing it around and having it be noticeable. it wasn't just what he was doing, it was when he was doing it. if you notice within the first 30 or 40 seconds of walking out on to the set, he immediately reached for the water. i don't think anybody rea
that was a moment for joe biden to be folksy joe biden and say, guys, everybody out there, who do you trust? we're leveling with you here. it was sort of that plain talk joe biden. i think it worked for him. >> it relates to the gaffe in joe biden when he looks in the camera and says something, this is what he really means. he always says what he really means, even if it's inappropriate. talk about appropriate, paul ryan must have drank a gallon of water during the debate. it was so...
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the republican base doesn't like joe biden going in. they're not going to like joe biden going out. it doesn't change the race in any way, shape, or form. i don't want to sound too cynical, my guess is most people who remain undecided at this point probably were watching some combination of orioles/yankees, nfl, something else. >> we'll see. here is what john dickerson wrote in slate today about the vice president performance. biden was defending the middle class while ryan was defending romney. biden's greatest asset was his passion though he might have been over the top. it was possible for a viewer to conclude that he was simply passionate about the middle class. take a look at joe biden early in the debate going after romney on his 47% comments. >> but it shouldn't be surprising for a guy who says 47% of the american people are unwilling to take responsibility for their own lives. my friend recently in a speech in washington said 30% of the american people are takers. these people are my mom and dad, the people i grew up with, my neighbors. they pay more effective tax than gover
the republican base doesn't like joe biden going in. they're not going to like joe biden going out. it doesn't change the race in any way, shape, or form. i don't want to sound too cynical, my guess is most people who remain undecided at this point probably were watching some combination of orioles/yankees, nfl, something else. >> we'll see. here is what john dickerson wrote in slate today about the vice president performance. biden was defending the middle class while ryan was defending...
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joe biden proved that last night. and as winston churchill once said, i like a man who grins when he fights. this is "the ed show." let's get to work. >>> these are the folks who talk about 47% of the american people being unwilling to take responsibility. it's about time governor romney takes some responsibility. >> the vice president keeps the hits coming after his knockout debate with paul ryan. >> stop talking about how you care about people. show me something. >> richard wolffe on the education of congressman paul ryan. >> ronald reagan -- >> now you're jack kennedy? >> ronald reagan -- >> "now's" terri o'neal on the romney ticket's disaster for women. >> if the romney/ryan ticket is elected, should those who believe abortion should remain legal be worried? >> david cay johnston on ryan's sixth study lie. >> can you guarantee this math will add up? >> absolutely. six studies have guaranteed. >> and what's more disrespectful? lying to america or interrupting a guy who's lying to america? >> it was openly contemptu
joe biden proved that last night. and as winston churchill once said, i like a man who grins when he fights. this is "the ed show." let's get to work. >>> these are the folks who talk about 47% of the american people being unwilling to take responsibility. it's about time governor romney takes some responsibility. >> the vice president keeps the hits coming after his knockout debate with paul ryan. >> stop talking about how you care about people. show me...
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joe biden versus joe biden. ryan barely showed up. he passed the threshold and did fine but if you like sneering attacks from this kind of senator, you're going to love it. >> wow. >> sneering attacks from this pompous old senator. >> but if -- >> not a joe biden fan. >> i am a joe biden fan. if you think joe biden is over the top you're going to not like it. you saw the reactions kind of split down the middle. >> if you think -- every seniority yen human being thinks joe biden is over the top. >> joe biden -- >> hold on. >> he came in with this cultural expectation, courtesy of the onion he was going to take his shirt off and rather up the podium. like he has a lot of room to run. >> i don't think statesman is a word you particularly associate with vice president biden. he was not statesman-like yesterday. he wasn't supposed to be. it's not the training that he got to go out there. he was going to go out there and beat up romney and he did that. >> by the way, the fact that the republicans are making a big deal about whether he was s
joe biden versus joe biden. ryan barely showed up. he passed the threshold and did fine but if you like sneering attacks from this kind of senator, you're going to love it. >> wow. >> sneering attacks from this pompous old senator. >> but if -- >> not a joe biden fan. >> i am a joe biden fan. if you think joe biden is over the top you're going to not like it. you saw the reactions kind of split down the middle. >> if you think -- every seniority yen human...
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joe biden should always be joe biden. no one can ever beat you at your own game. my mother, a southern mama, used to tell me all the time it's only when you try to be someone else that you fail. and that is the accusation against governor romney. that is perhaps why friends of mine who are conservatives don't totally buy into mitt romney. you may make mistakes being yourself, but that you a then tisity that is needed, that is palpable, that can be felt through a television screen, it has to come from you being you. so i marvel at the fact that someone with joe biden's experience, someone like joe biden who has been in debates and won many debates, is being given advice to be himself. no one can ever beat you when you are yourself. so if that is the advice, he should certainly take it. >> can i ask you to refix your microphone because when you were speaking it was jumping and jumbling against your cheek and our viewers are not as able to hear you as clearly as they'd like. >> they gave christmas e matthe good mike. >> this is a 62-year-old veteran versus the 42-yea
joe biden should always be joe biden. no one can ever beat you at your own game. my mother, a southern mama, used to tell me all the time it's only when you try to be someone else that you fail. and that is the accusation against governor romney. that is perhaps why friends of mine who are conservatives don't totally buy into mitt romney. you may make mistakes being yourself, but that you a then tisity that is needed, that is palpable, that can be felt through a television screen, it has to...
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did joe biden -- joe biden do what joe biden had to do last night? were you, as a washington guy that's been around this for a long time, did you find it off-putting, or do you think it was called for? >> i think joe was joe. and when you're yourself, it usually helps in politics. look, it's going to lend itself to some great scenes on "saturday night live" and other late-night comedians. i agree with mark halperin on that. but i don't think it was like al gore in 2000, which mark will remember. al gore looked arrogant and condescending and elitist. what joe was, joe was scrappy at times, rude, feisty. i think that's what he needed to do last night. i think he could have done without a few smirks. he could have done without a few interruptions. but i don't think it really hurt him. and i think when you talk about style, joe, one of the things we ought to consider is, as barack obama goes into that now very important debate next tuesday, the format's a town hall. and that makes it a little bit harder for him to be tough and challenging romney because
did joe biden -- joe biden do what joe biden had to do last night? were you, as a washington guy that's been around this for a long time, did you find it off-putting, or do you think it was called for? >> i think joe was joe. and when you're yourself, it usually helps in politics. look, it's going to lend itself to some great scenes on "saturday night live" and other late-night comedians. i agree with mark halperin on that. but i don't think it was like al gore in 2000, which...
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so you will have joe biden throwing punches and paul ryan punching back. and in fact, if you're going to have a pop corn debate, one that doesn't bore you. first of all, while mitt romney was pretty good, it was boring, this one should be very fascinating. >> we'll have you back, thank you. >>> and ever since mitt romney talked about firing big bird it has gone to political headliner. well, last night, he came on the show and got a rousing welcome from the crowd. >> thank you -- thank you for coming, big bird. >> well, thanks for having me, mr. meyers.
so you will have joe biden throwing punches and paul ryan punching back. and in fact, if you're going to have a pop corn debate, one that doesn't bore you. first of all, while mitt romney was pretty good, it was boring, this one should be very fascinating. >> we'll have you back, thank you. >>> and ever since mitt romney talked about firing big bird it has gone to political headliner. well, last night, he came on the show and got a rousing welcome from the crowd. >> thank...
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we're all talking about joe biden needs the win, joe biden needs this and the democrats certainly feel that. paul ryan has to show up tonight, too, and it seems to me like his escape hatch for being held accountable for his own record has always been, hey, listen, mitt romney is the top of the ticket, i'm not the guy. it's all mitt romney. if there's any distance between us i'm only going to answer from mitt romney's position, not my own. how do you do that when you're auditioning for the guy who's there to step in something god forbid happens to the president? >> i think one of the things you do is, ezra's advice, notwithstanding, i think mitt romney was very effective and clearly coached to talk about people. to talk about individuals. right? when ryan was added to the ticket and medicare became the issue that was being litigated on the national stage, we saw huge erosion in republicans' numbers among seniors, okay? so ryan's job here is to convince seniors that are watching that he is not coming for your medicare, even though he manifestly is coming for your medicare and the way he
we're all talking about joe biden needs the win, joe biden needs this and the democrats certainly feel that. paul ryan has to show up tonight, too, and it seems to me like his escape hatch for being held accountable for his own record has always been, hey, listen, mitt romney is the top of the ticket, i'm not the guy. it's all mitt romney. if there's any distance between us i'm only going to answer from mitt romney's position, not my own. how do you do that when you're auditioning for the guy...
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first to you, michael, you know joe biden really well. what is the challenge here for joe biden? we know that sometimes when he gets wound up on the stump he goes off message. but as maggie was saying earlier, in debates he's been really focused. is that the joe biden you expect to show up tonight? >> i do. i expect joe biden to show up tonight to try to prevent congressman ryan from wiley mischaracter iing the record the obama/biden record over last four years and try to hold congressman wryan to specifics. congressman ryan will have to reconcile his own budget plan and the rapidly evolving romney/ryan budget and tax plan. a lot of open questions there. i expect vice president biden's going to come out ready to hold his feet to the fire on specifics. and congressman ryan has other challenges, you know? he's not well-known on the national stage, so this will be a new introduction for him. and he has to pass the commander in chief threshold so there will be foreign policy questions tonight. he'll have to hold his own there. he also has to energize conservatives but also appeal to
first to you, michael, you know joe biden really well. what is the challenge here for joe biden? we know that sometimes when he gets wound up on the stump he goes off message. but as maggie was saying earlier, in debates he's been really focused. is that the joe biden you expect to show up tonight? >> i do. i expect joe biden to show up tonight to try to prevent congressman ryan from wiley mischaracter iing the record the obama/biden record over last four years and try to hold congressman...
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joe biden has been on these big stages. it's my first time. but what he can't run from is president obama's record. they're just offering more of the same. >> if president obama is sweating tonight's debate, he's not showing it. >> i think joe just needs to be joe. congressman ryan is a smart and effective speaker. but his ideas are the wrong ones. >> mitt romney's debate performance last week re-energized his campaign, but our brand new swing state polls show it didn't change a lot of minds. 92% of voters in ohio and florida made up their minds before the debate. 91% in virginia. overall, the dial did move slightly in romney's favor in florida and virginia, the race is virtually tied. but president obama leads ohio by six points in the nbc news "wall street journal" maris poll. joining me to talk about all of it, e.j.dion and dana milbank. gentlemen, good morning. remember the old commercial never let them see you sweat? dana, how much pressure is joe biden under tonight? >> he's been at this an awfully long time. and he's sort of an old pro
joe biden has been on these big stages. it's my first time. but what he can't run from is president obama's record. they're just offering more of the same. >> if president obama is sweating tonight's debate, he's not showing it. >> i think joe just needs to be joe. congressman ryan is a smart and effective speaker. but his ideas are the wrong ones. >> mitt romney's debate performance last week re-energized his campaign, but our brand new swing state polls show it didn't change...
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junior says, biden looks ready. adjo says, joe is going to do what he does best. tell it like it is. and we told you about this photo of paul ryan pumping iron in the new issue of "time." well, we decided to have a caption contest. wilfredo's caption, no time for facts. it's muscle time. we want your caption. head over to facebook and search "politicsnation" and "like" us to join the conversation that keeps going long after the show ends and logon tonight to tell us what you think during the debate. ♪ [ male announcer ] how do you make 70,000 trades a second... ♪ reach one customer at a time? ♪ or help doctors turn billions of bytes of shared information... ♪ into a fifth anniversary of remission? ♪ whatever your business challenge, dell has the technology and services to help you solve it. >>> it's less than three hours until the biden/ryan debate and they may spar over a topic that wasn't brought up in last week's presidential debate. women. for the gop, women's issues are not their strong suit. case in point, wisconsin state lawmaker who has been caug
junior says, biden looks ready. adjo says, joe is going to do what he does best. tell it like it is. and we told you about this photo of paul ryan pumping iron in the new issue of "time." well, we decided to have a caption contest. wilfredo's caption, no time for facts. it's muscle time. we want your caption. head over to facebook and search "politicsnation" and "like" us to join the conversation that keeps going long after the show ends and logon tonight to tell...
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paul ryan 48%, joe biden 44%. cnn parentally republicans were oversampled more than usual in a cnn poll. so that may be why that number's high up. and i'm going to give david and jonathan a chance to catch their breath and get your analysis. i've been flying all morning long and i'm not into man fights. this notion, the headline will be can president obama duplicate, replicate, pick up where biden left off, that is what matters here. >> i think that will be the headline starting tomorrow. we done the have to wait till tuesday. >> right. >> the fact that there's no unanimity of agreement like last week. last week everybody knew what happened, democrats, republicans alike agree, it had not been president obama's best night. last night both sides are defending their guy and i think it was probably close to being a quote, unquote, tie. but it doesn't really matter if it doesn't show up in the polls, four, five, sitch days later, a week later. i suspect we're not going to see any long-term vice presidential debate boun
paul ryan 48%, joe biden 44%. cnn parentally republicans were oversampled more than usual in a cnn poll. so that may be why that number's high up. and i'm going to give david and jonathan a chance to catch their breath and get your analysis. i've been flying all morning long and i'm not into man fights. this notion, the headline will be can president obama duplicate, replicate, pick up where biden left off, that is what matters here. >> i think that will be the headline starting tomorrow....
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joe biden has too. of course, congressman paul ryan who chairs the house budget committee also likes to tout his foreign policy chops. >> i have more foreign policy experience coming into this job than president obama did coming into his. >> can you explain how do you have more foreign policy experience than senator obama did. he was on the foreign relations committee. >> norah, i voted to send men and women to war. i've been to iraq and afghanistan. i've met with our troops to get perspectives. i've been to the funerals, i've talked to the widows, talked to the wives, the moms and the dads. that's something. that matters. >> yeah. the sitting vice president shouldn't have much problem landing a blow on a claim like that. though perhaps rather than boxing, it's more accurate to think of thursday night as tag team wrestling with each candidate making the power move that their partner missed. of course, ultimately a vice presidential candidate's relationship to his running mate is more like hulk hogan's b
joe biden has too. of course, congressman paul ryan who chairs the house budget committee also likes to tout his foreign policy chops. >> i have more foreign policy experience coming into this job than president obama did coming into his. >> can you explain how do you have more foreign policy experience than senator obama did. he was on the foreign relations committee. >> norah, i voted to send men and women to war. i've been to iraq and afghanistan. i've met with our troops...
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but still, joe biden is joe biden. he's the regular guy. joe six-pack from scranton. president obama, that's not his persona. having said all that, i think it's a fair assumption we're going to see a much more aggressive president obama on tuesday night. >> okay. mike. as always many thanks. we're getting an update on what the gop candidates are doing today in just a minute. >>> first president obama may be reaching out to younger voters next week with another appearance on "the daily show with jon stewart." stewart criticized the president's performance in that first debate so there may be a few jokes at his expense. president obama will do the show on comedy central this coming thursday, two days after the second debate with mitt romney. >>> superstar bruce springsteen is on the road this week. he's singing the praises of president obama. and on thursday the boss will be joined by former president bill clinton, another boss so to speak, at an event in ohio. it will be free to the public. >>> well, the gop ticket is busy crisscrossing the crucial battle ground state
but still, joe biden is joe biden. he's the regular guy. joe six-pack from scranton. president obama, that's not his persona. having said all that, i think it's a fair assumption we're going to see a much more aggressive president obama on tuesday night. >> okay. mike. as always many thanks. we're getting an update on what the gop candidates are doing today in just a minute. >>> first president obama may be reaching out to younger voters next week with another appearance on...
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joe biden has done a lot of debates. by my count, 749. no, closer to 23, but he did 14 in the last year, in 2008 alone. >> yes. >> on the other hand, he's also been vice president for the last four years. i think everyone knows that vice president's don't really get pressed a lot in those four years, you know, when something goes wrong. when something goes wrong, give me the vice president i have some serious questions for him. so i'm wondering if you think the four years of not really having to answer too many tough questions makes him a little rusty despite his years of debate experience? >> well, it made the president rusty. i think it could do the same to joe biden. although he has been working very hard. at the convention he had put in 60 hours of debate prep. what he's been paid for for the last four years comes down to this moment tonight. biden, his mind is not an orderly one all the time, shall we say, but he's -- but he'll be tough. he's going to be defending an entire tradition and history of the democratic party because really
joe biden has done a lot of debates. by my count, 749. no, closer to 23, but he did 14 in the last year, in 2008 alone. >> yes. >> on the other hand, he's also been vice president for the last four years. i think everyone knows that vice president's don't really get pressed a lot in those four years, you know, when something goes wrong. when something goes wrong, give me the vice president i have some serious questions for him. so i'm wondering if you think the four years of not...
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paul ryan versus joe biden in centerville, kentucky, last night. come on, this is add good as it ever gets. >> stop talking about how you care about people. show me something. show me a policy. show me a policy where you take responsibility. >> this is a plan that's bipartisan. it's a plan i put together with a prominent democrat senator from oregon. >> there's not one democrat who endorses it. not one democrat who signed the plan. >> our partner is a democrat from oregon. >> and he said he does no longer support you for that. >> we put it together with the former clinton budget director. this idea -- >> who disavows it. >> this idea -- >> this is a bunch of stuff. look, here's the deal. >> what does that mean, a bunch of stuff? >> well, it means it's simply inaccurate. >> it's irish. >> it is. we irish call it malarky. >> thanks for the translation. >> the idea if you heard that little issoliloquy on 47% and y think he just make a mistake, i think you're -- i got a bridge to sell you. >> with respect to that quote, i think the vice president very
paul ryan versus joe biden in centerville, kentucky, last night. come on, this is add good as it ever gets. >> stop talking about how you care about people. show me something. show me a policy. show me a policy where you take responsibility. >> this is a plan that's bipartisan. it's a plan i put together with a prominent democrat senator from oregon. >> there's not one democrat who endorses it. not one democrat who signed the plan. >> our partner is a democrat from...
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only 34% feel that joe biden. so is really expectation more on paul ryan more than joe biden contrary to what has been discussed so far? >> i think it will be interesting to see what happens. a lot of this happens in the moment. it all depends about the chemistry between them and the moderate to have, the audience, how the questions go and what's most important is for both those gentlemen to really be in the moment to really think about their answers, and to make sure they getting across specific points that they want to getting across. >> again, watching the live pictures -- rather the tape that just came in of paul ryan arriving at the location. i want to pivot to the polls. when we look at those numbers, this new round of polling showing that the president falling short of that 50% marker that so many watch specifically in florida and virginia. and democrats, their enthusiasm already seems to be suffering in the wake of last week. what will numbers under 50 do to the enthusiasm surrounding tonight's debate as w
only 34% feel that joe biden. so is really expectation more on paul ryan more than joe biden contrary to what has been discussed so far? >> i think it will be interesting to see what happens. a lot of this happens in the moment. it all depends about the chemistry between them and the moderate to have, the audience, how the questions go and what's most important is for both those gentlemen to really be in the moment to really think about their answers, and to make sure they getting across...
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the president is not joe biden. you know, he's not going to be that demonstrative but certainly we can expect him to be more aggressive. he leaves tomorrow morning for another debate camp, training camp, if you will, three days in another swing state. he's not going to be far away, in williamsburg, virginia, and he'll go directly from there to the debate next tuesday night. what white house officials will only say about how any adjustments that the president is making last night on the plane, a senior official telling reporters governor romney is trying to hide a variety of his positions and we're going to make sure the american people understand what he would actually do if he's president, martin. >> good luck with that. nbc's mike viqueira. thank you, as always. stay with us. the week's "top lines" are coming up. go! here it comes! right in the numbers. boom! get it! spin! oh nice hands! thank you, as always. my favor! oh! [ male announcer ] share what you love, with who you love. kellogg's frosted flakes. they're
the president is not joe biden. you know, he's not going to be that demonstrative but certainly we can expect him to be more aggressive. he leaves tomorrow morning for another debate camp, training camp, if you will, three days in another swing state. he's not going to be far away, in williamsburg, virginia, and he'll go directly from there to the debate next tuesday night. what white house officials will only say about how any adjustments that the president is making last night on the plane, a...
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if i were joe biden, i'm not joe biden, i'd go after a couple of things hard. how does an 82-year-old or 92-year-old man, get on their bicycle, the car, rent a cab, they go out and find an insurance policy to cover them? there's no such insurance company that's going to insure them. this thing about a voucher is fantastic, literally fantastic. secondly, personhood. do you really mean to say that a fertilized human egg, whatever your philosophy or religion, should have the rights of property, should have the rights of liberty? what does that mean except it takes the mother's role and casts it to the sideline. she mass has no more choices. once it's a person it's murder. do you really believe that, mr. ryan? i would challenge him on these very fundamental positions he's taking. >> maybe you should xerox that and slip it to one of biden's guys. >> both sides can see it. both sides can see it. >> in the meantime, the polls, we had a little graphic up that showed pole ryization. because so many people have made up their minds, do you bank on this debate tonight bein
if i were joe biden, i'm not joe biden, i'd go after a couple of things hard. how does an 82-year-old or 92-year-old man, get on their bicycle, the car, rent a cab, they go out and find an insurance policy to cover them? there's no such insurance company that's going to insure them. this thing about a voucher is fantastic, literally fantastic. secondly, personhood. do you really mean to say that a fertilized human egg, whatever your philosophy or religion, should have the rights of property,...
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joe biden set the table for that. paul ryan was exposed last night for not having any new ideas and for not being truthful about their plans. >> brad woodhouse, thank you so much. i appreciate your time today, dnc xhuks director. >>> let's bring in our friday political power. julian reed, alice stewart. we want to mention any minute we are expecting to hear from former president clinton at a rally in indiana. he is taking the stage right now. we'll get straight to this once it does happen. i do want to start with you because one way biden fired up last night is he hit on that 47% videotape. >> it shouldn't be surprising for a guy who has 47% of the american people are unwilling to take responsibility for their own lives. >> romney is a good man. he cares about 100% of americans in this country. with respect to that quote, i think the vice president very well knows that sometimes the words don't come out of your mouth the right way. >> i always say what i mean. and so does romney. >> spirited debate there. joy ann reed
joe biden set the table for that. paul ryan was exposed last night for not having any new ideas and for not being truthful about their plans. >> brad woodhouse, thank you so much. i appreciate your time today, dnc xhuks director. >>> let's bring in our friday political power. julian reed, alice stewart. we want to mention any minute we are expecting to hear from former president clinton at a rally in indiana. he is taking the stage right now. we'll get straight to this once it...
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i think this is teed up perfectly for joe biden. all the things we talked about last week we wished the president might have thrown at mitt romney or asked mitt romney about are even better for ryan. it was paul ryan who was confronted with chris wallace asking him about the math of the budget plan, was the one who said i just don't have time to get into that. joe biden can say, i'd like to give you all the time you need, take all the time you need, congressman ryan, and tell us which deductions you two are going to close. he can confront him on the $716 billion that he also likewise cuts from medicare. >> identical number. >> identical number. that's a wonderful thing to be teed up for vice president biden, and he can also just come at him on the issue of entitlements generally. paul ryan is somebody who apparently saved the survivor benefits that he got from social security, used them to go to a good college, and now has been a long-time advocate of privatizing social security. >> i just wish joe biden would at some point ask the
i think this is teed up perfectly for joe biden. all the things we talked about last week we wished the president might have thrown at mitt romney or asked mitt romney about are even better for ryan. it was paul ryan who was confronted with chris wallace asking him about the math of the budget plan, was the one who said i just don't have time to get into that. joe biden can say, i'd like to give you all the time you need, take all the time you need, congressman ryan, and tell us which...
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joe biden's performance. paul ryan was there. he made some points. you know, i mean he did the things that i think republicans wanted him to do, not back down, look like he was credible, could be the vice president of the united states. biden was this huge figure for good or bad depending on your perspective. i think he would have won the debate andrea on points, narrowly, had he just controlled a little bit more his off camera reaction. the two of you spend more time on television than i do but we all spend some amount of time on television. the camera can be on you when you're not talking. joe biden has been in politics and he knows that. to quote spinal tap turned the amplifier up to 11 when like 8 would have probably done the laughing and the kind of open disdain for paul ryan and paul ryan would be talking and you could in the split screen he would mouth that's not true. the democratic base loved it. but i thought he was a little too hot. >> stopped the hemorrhaging, fired the base. don't know what impac
joe biden's performance. paul ryan was there. he made some points. you know, i mean he did the things that i think republicans wanted him to do, not back down, look like he was credible, could be the vice president of the united states. biden was this huge figure for good or bad depending on your perspective. i think he would have won the debate andrea on points, narrowly, had he just controlled a little bit more his off camera reaction. the two of you spend more time on television than i do...
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you know, it's something that they've been watching with joe biden for years, but joe biden has been preparing for an entire week. by thursday when the debate happens, he will have spent almost a week at his home in wilmington preparing. and when he is prepared, he is much better in that he doesn't make those same gaffes. when he nose what it is that he needs to say and he's not going off the cuff in this style, he does better. >> on thursday, joe biden went aggressively after governor romney on taxes. let's take a look at that. >> you just never know what game or what position governor romney's going to come with. you know, the centerpiece of their economic policy, so far, has been their tax cut. and last night, we found out he doesn't have a $5 trillion tax cut, and i guess he outsourced that to china or something. >> you know, the vice presidential candidate traditionally plays the role of the attack dog. do you think that's what joe biden was doing right there? >> yeah. and joe biden sort of louse an entree into the obama campaign into a group they're most concerned about, which
you know, it's something that they've been watching with joe biden for years, but joe biden has been preparing for an entire week. by thursday when the debate happens, he will have spent almost a week at his home in wilmington preparing. and when he is prepared, he is much better in that he doesn't make those same gaffes. when he nose what it is that he needs to say and he's not going off the cuff in this style, he does better. >> on thursday, joe biden went aggressively after governor...
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paul ryan a b and joe biden a b-. here is the wisdom. democrats say joe biden was strong, he was the adult on stage. he stopped the bleeding, such that it was from last week's debate. for republicans paul ryan passed the can he be president threshold and joe biden was rude and arrogant. what say you? >> it's certainly the case. there were some democrats who conceded the point. that's why i gave the vice president a lower grade. the smiles, laughs, smirks. i don't think it changed anything about the race. i think that they both laid down the markers and, again, for their own parties, mostly. the vice president energizing democrats and for paul ryan showing people he was on that stage and not overrun. the vice president clearly dominated the proceedings. >> we have seen paul ryan a lot for those of us who cover politics. we have seen him on press conferences and capitol hill, never in the big lights. how did he do from start to finish? >> you know, again, we were reading the leaves a little bit. i thought he started out nervous. he reacted
paul ryan a b and joe biden a b-. here is the wisdom. democrats say joe biden was strong, he was the adult on stage. he stopped the bleeding, such that it was from last week's debate. for republicans paul ryan passed the can he be president threshold and joe biden was rude and arrogant. what say you? >> it's certainly the case. there were some democrats who conceded the point. that's why i gave the vice president a lower grade. the smiles, laughs, smirks. i don't think it changed anything...
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. >> he's joe biden. to joe's point, he's unapologetic about his joe bidenness and i think when he embodies being that, that economic populist streak and the stuff at the end that you played earlier, chris, with abortion when he talks from that sort of i'm an irish catholic, i know who the people are, that's when he's at his best. i would say some of the laughing and the derisiveness, particularly on foreign policy, i thought was a little bit off putting and a little over the top. >> i think that's right. i think it was well-said by both. you. joe klein, chris cillizza. tea partier and birther steve king showed up for a recent debate with some writing on his hands. his staff said he wasn't actually cheating. he just hadn't washed his hands. my question is from a previous cribbing effort? why does he have handwriting on his hand. you're supposed to use your hand to write, not write on. this is "hardball," the place for politics. ♪ [ male announcer ] jill and her mouth have lived a great life. but she has
. >> he's joe biden. to joe's point, he's unapologetic about his joe bidenness and i think when he embodies being that, that economic populist streak and the stuff at the end that you played earlier, chris, with abortion when he talks from that sort of i'm an irish catholic, i know who the people are, that's when he's at his best. i would say some of the laughing and the derisiveness, particularly on foreign policy, i thought was a little bit off putting and a little over the top....
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the debate between paul ryan and joe biden. president kennedy got a surprise mention with joe biden's sarcastic outburst, now you're jack kennedy sparking the tweets at 58,000 per minute. the debate continued. massive questions on a crucial issue. luckily, brian williams was able to clear up the issue about the lapel pins. >> people were asking, not only is the flag larger, what is the symbol in the middle of field stripes. it's the u.s. secret service pin. they hand it out to friends and protectees. >> before the debate, "time" magazine released these photos. it triggered what was called a dumbbell debate. >>> a search on google images with the phrase completely wrong brings up mitt romney. google says there's no partisan politics here. he used the phrase about his 47% comments. >>> california congressman was debating when things got testy. the rhetoric heated up and sherman got physical. before things escalated into a wrestling match, a police officer stepped in and the debate wrapped up with no injuries. that's your morning
the debate between paul ryan and joe biden. president kennedy got a surprise mention with joe biden's sarcastic outburst, now you're jack kennedy sparking the tweets at 58,000 per minute. the debate continued. massive questions on a crucial issue. luckily, brian williams was able to clear up the issue about the lapel pins. >> people were asking, not only is the flag larger, what is the symbol in the middle of field stripes. it's the u.s. secret service pin. they hand it out to friends and...
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the -- joe biden can't respond to this in one particular way. there's a lot of reports kind of trickling out that this might already be happening. >> right. right. joe biden can't exactly say, you know, that's what we're doing in a kind of stage whisper. but, you know, the policy, it is very, very difficult to see this sort of bloodshed, to watch this front line documentary. what that underscored, which i think is a very important point, is something after 9/11 when people were talking about occupying countries as if it was germany and japan in 1945, you see the complexities not only of syria, libya, etc. not only do we not know who these fighters are but we understand and everyone acknowledges this, it's about how big this is, that salofus are coming in and they're fighting with sort of more democratic reformers. is there somebody that has a booth with ak 47s on it. tell me about your ideology. that doesn't happen. that's going to be hugely problematic. >> one of the other things we're seeing in syria is incredibly messy, there's been great rep
the -- joe biden can't respond to this in one particular way. there's a lot of reports kind of trickling out that this might already be happening. >> right. right. joe biden can't exactly say, you know, that's what we're doing in a kind of stage whisper. but, you know, the policy, it is very, very difficult to see this sort of bloodshed, to watch this front line documentary. what that underscored, which i think is a very important point, is something after 9/11 when people were talking...
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joe biden has to not only defend the president and attack paul ryan for his libertarian ideas, joe biden has to defend social security and medicare and the very idea of the usefulness and the importance of government in sharing responsibility in america, a big, heavy lift for joe biden tomorrow night. >> it's a heavy lift, howard, i agree, but it's also right in his wheelhouse. everyone in this country knows his middle class background. he is true to his value of helping the middle class. he legislated that way for 30 years in the senate. some think that joe biden's been put in an untenable position, a tough position. but isn't this good for biden? and i think for the president to come out and say joe's got to be joe, that's kind of saying, joe, you go out there and let them have it, isn't it? >> well, yeah, and joe biden, after all, was in the senate for 37 years. he was very much a part of the democratic party establishment and democratic party ideology about the role of helping the poor and the middle class through cooperative effort and through government programs. and he's going to
joe biden has to not only defend the president and attack paul ryan for his libertarian ideas, joe biden has to defend social security and medicare and the very idea of the usefulness and the importance of government in sharing responsibility in america, a big, heavy lift for joe biden tomorrow night. >> it's a heavy lift, howard, i agree, but it's also right in his wheelhouse. everyone in this country knows his middle class background. he is true to his value of helping the middle class....
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you know joe biden well. how much pressure do you think joe biden is feeling that, if anything, he needs to make the base of the democratic party feel good about again. >> the base has been demoralized. there's no question about that. he will do that without question. that's really not a big burden on him. i think the real burden is on congressman ryan. because he's taken positions that he now either has to repudiate, walk away from, or explain. kwun of the things that i think is a great opportunity for the vice president tonight is the more he highlights the ryan budget and the devastating cuts he makes to programs that benefit hard working, middle class americans, that's going to help democratic candidates across the country because every republican incumbent voted for that budget. >> susan, it's interesting. i was asking dan senor about it. you know the ryan budget is going to come up and there are differences between the romney budget and the ryan budget. not major ones, but enough that there are some dis
you know joe biden well. how much pressure do you think joe biden is feeling that, if anything, he needs to make the base of the democratic party feel good about again. >> the base has been demoralized. there's no question about that. he will do that without question. that's really not a big burden on him. i think the real burden is on congressman ryan. because he's taken positions that he now either has to repudiate, walk away from, or explain. kwun of the things that i think is a great...
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welcome to the joe biden show, paul ryan. the well-behaved 42-year-old seemed look i can a spectator as the volume ubl vice president delivered a forceful, bordering bombastic counterattack against a surging gop ticket during thursday's vice presidential debate. >> one thing was the rude performance by vice president. >> you thought it was rude? >> it was rude. and paul was nice and polite. it was paul. the vice president didn't have a plan as the president doesn't have a plan. both vice president biden and president obama have a real problem. they have empty trhetoric. for vice president biden, it was a tactic to appeal to their base, the occupy wall street crowd because he was trying to overcompensate for what -- you know, for president obama's poor performance a week ago. >> do you believe that the romney campaign has let paul ryan be paul ryan? >> absolutely. >> one of the things that we -- that they promised when ryan was brought on the ticket, that there was going to be some heart truths. what was a hard truth that you
welcome to the joe biden show, paul ryan. the well-behaved 42-year-old seemed look i can a spectator as the volume ubl vice president delivered a forceful, bordering bombastic counterattack against a surging gop ticket during thursday's vice presidential debate. >> one thing was the rude performance by vice president. >> you thought it was rude? >> it was rude. and paul was nice and polite. it was paul. the vice president didn't have a plan as the president doesn't have a...
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they've got to keep on that. >> everyone who knows joe biden knows that joe biden can talk and joe biden certainly knows how to give the answer to give. >> will he get to it? >> i think he will. i think he will. i think he will be aggressive. because what else is there for him to do in this debate? after last week, biden doesn't really have a choice. >> chuck, are you in on this? can you raise the issue of scoring card tonight? for a lot of reasons i've been thinking you're as good at this as anybody is. does he have to win tonight a clear victory? does he have to have a clear victory in order for the obama people? >> no. i mean, look, the obama folks don't want to lose, okay? going down '02, let's put this in baseball terms, you don't want to go down 0-2, now a five game series. you want to go 1-1. worst case scenario, 1-0-1. that's why the goal tonight is not for biden to win the debate. of course he wants to win the debate but more of the goal for biden, bring up points, try to force ryan on defense even if he doesn't take the bait, as you hear from some republican advisers, they say
they've got to keep on that. >> everyone who knows joe biden knows that joe biden can talk and joe biden certainly knows how to give the answer to give. >> will he get to it? >> i think he will. i think he will. i think he will be aggressive. because what else is there for him to do in this debate? after last week, biden doesn't really have a choice. >> chuck, are you in on this? can you raise the issue of scoring card tonight? for a lot of reasons i've been thinking...
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do you expect joe biden to come out swinging? >> i do. i mean, i think -- first of all, i think he's a pretty good debater. doing it for a long time. he's relatible, quick on his feet and likable. >> you're not playing the expectations game, are you? >> no, i just -- no. i think it's silly of us to discount joe biden making gaffes as of late. but what i would say is i think it's important. i think joe biden will come out and try to make up ground for barack obama and we'll see how it plays out. paul's a smart guy and will do well. >> good to have you on the program. thanks so much. >> thanks, chris. >>> speaking of debate, gentlemen, i have a clip of "saturday night live" i have to play. watch. >> is there anything more exciting than joe biden thinking it's up to him to get the lead back? it's tivo time. a 50% chance he'll come out with the shirt off. probably covering himself with animal fat to make himself harder to grab. >> i watched that like four times over the week. kept playing it back and forth and back and forth. i thought it was
do you expect joe biden to come out swinging? >> i do. i mean, i think -- first of all, i think he's a pretty good debater. doing it for a long time. he's relatible, quick on his feet and likable. >> you're not playing the expectations game, are you? >> no, i just -- no. i think it's silly of us to discount joe biden making gaffes as of late. but what i would say is i think it's important. i think joe biden will come out and try to make up ground for barack obama and we'll see...
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this is what joe biden is going to do. what paul ryan needs to do is quote joe biden. the past four years have been brutal for the middle class. i promise you a $1 trillion tax increase. he's giving paul ryan some material, as well. >> it's going to be pressing. and as you said, joe biden will sell barack obama, but paul ryan has to sell mitt romney. you can't really sell paul ryan, right? so he has to -- it's going to be interesting to see how well he does that. i think we agree that joe biden will do his job, will go in and will explain all those crucial moments of the obama presidency and how things worked out and what a great guy he is. >> so joe biden, i agree will do his job. joe, do you think that paul ryan will be allowed to do his job? because i think the problem has been that from the moment he was chosen, they then were hiding his signature elements. >> well, paul ryan's not the president. and i think mitt romney said it clearly, i'm the president, paul ryan -- >> so he won't be allowed to do his job? >> no more than somebody you hire as a production assista
this is what joe biden is going to do. what paul ryan needs to do is quote joe biden. the past four years have been brutal for the middle class. i promise you a $1 trillion tax increase. he's giving paul ryan some material, as well. >> it's going to be pressing. and as you said, joe biden will sell barack obama, but paul ryan has to sell mitt romney. you can't really sell paul ryan, right? so he has to -- it's going to be interesting to see how well he does that. i think we agree that joe...
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but joe biden is joe biden and president obama is president obama. two different types of personalities. two different approaches, two different rhetorical styles. let's see if the base is as happy with president obama on wednesday morning as they were with joe biden yesterday morning. >> yeah. mike, can you tell us a little more about this new obama campaign tv ad? >> well, i think this is a case of going back to the formula that had helped build that lead in the polls prior to that first debate. you know, the so-called likability gap. the idea that mitt romney is out of touch with the average american. going back to this issue of his taxes not only has he not released his tax returns, as many presidential candidates have in the past, of course, but he's effectively paid a 14% rate on his taxes, and that is something that is a lower rate paid on investment income. let's have a listen to a little bit of that ad. >> you've paid 14% in federal taxes. that's the capital gains rate. is that fair to the guy who makes $50,000 and paid a higher rate than yo
but joe biden is joe biden and president obama is president obama. two different types of personalities. two different approaches, two different rhetorical styles. let's see if the base is as happy with president obama on wednesday morning as they were with joe biden yesterday morning. >> yeah. mike, can you tell us a little more about this new obama campaign tv ad? >> well, i think this is a case of going back to the formula that had helped build that lead in the polls prior to...
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where joe biden and paul ryan will meet. krystal ball is heading there after the show today and will be there live for us tomorrow. the face-off is stark differences of the two men on display. ryan fancies himself a numbers guy, of course. biden is beloved for feared for saying what he thinks and then the generation gap between the two. think of it this way. when biden was elected in 2002, r -- ryan wasn't -- >> i don't know how paul will deal with this debate. obviously, the vice president has done, i don't know, 15 or 20 debates during his lifetime. experienced debater. this is, i think paul's first debate. he may have done something in high school. i don't know. >> so amusing. >> we always joke about saying the bar is load for your own side. that might be the lowest. my own thoughts heading in to this, i have been saying, you know, all week that i just basically expect biden to turn in the performance that obama did not turn in. >> sure. >> do not miss the openings that obama missed going after the missing details of romn
where joe biden and paul ryan will meet. krystal ball is heading there after the show today and will be there live for us tomorrow. the face-off is stark differences of the two men on display. ryan fancies himself a numbers guy, of course. biden is beloved for feared for saying what he thinks and then the generation gap between the two. think of it this way. when biden was elected in 2002, r -- ryan wasn't -- >> i don't know how paul will deal with this debate. obviously, the vice...
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joe biden has been in public life for 40 years. paul ryan is not a newcomer by any stretch of the imagination. he has seven terms in the u.s. house under his belt. i think his posture over the weekend, he went to a pumpkin patch with his family. he's trying to stay focused but trying to relaxed. one of the things etsd is his key for him is to be himself. he knows what to believe, and he needs to articulate that to the american people in the debate in kentucky on thursday. >> thank you, ron. we greatly appreciate it. joe biden is is off the campaign trail this week as he prepares for that big debate with ryan. the two men come face to face in danville, kentucky, in three days. the stakes could be higher than any other vp debate we've seen before. in fact, listen to this. "the new york times" says that david axelrod is personally overseeing biden's debate preps writing, quote, mr. biden will be counseled on how to avoid mr. obama's mistakes and even correct them with a more aggressive prosecution of the republican ticket. it's a lot
joe biden has been in public life for 40 years. paul ryan is not a newcomer by any stretch of the imagination. he has seven terms in the u.s. house under his belt. i think his posture over the weekend, he went to a pumpkin patch with his family. he's trying to stay focused but trying to relaxed. one of the things etsd is his key for him is to be himself. he knows what to believe, and he needs to articulate that to the american people in the debate in kentucky on thursday. >> thank you,...
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we've seen the example of joe biden on the trail, joe biden being very smooth, trying to relate and be charming, charm offensive with the female crowd, hang out with the biker ladies. we saw that picture. from a political perspective is he the obama camp's secret weapon or their biggest headache? >> probably a little both. definitely a headache in terms of saying things like the middle class has been buried over the last four years, but in terms of their charm offensive he's somebody who they believe can relate well to working class folks, white working class folks pap tour of delis and diners and places, lunch counters, where working folks are going to eat in the middle of the day. in particular, though, there's a certain set of women i like to call them the medicare eligible set, 65 and over and certainly a little younger than that who obama has had a lot of trouble with. he's got a huge lead among women overall but as women are older, they are less likely to be in his camp. mitt romney actually leading in that 65 and over column by 48% to 43% in the gallup poll in august. joe biden,
we've seen the example of joe biden on the trail, joe biden being very smooth, trying to relate and be charming, charm offensive with the female crowd, hang out with the biker ladies. we saw that picture. from a political perspective is he the obama camp's secret weapon or their biggest headache? >> probably a little both. definitely a headache in terms of saying things like the middle class has been buried over the last four years, but in terms of their charm offensive he's somebody who...
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you know joe biden very, very well. you have articles out there saying that the democrats want to make sure he's gaffe-proof. aside from that sidebar, we know that joe biden is formidable. >> joe is a great speaker, and in a debate format he is very disciplined. he'll be prepped. i don't think you'll see any gaffes, but you'll see a solid performance. he's strong and aggressive and most of the all he has what president obama lacked. when i ran for re-election, and i did it three times, i was proud of what wheadon and i was enthusiastic about what we accomplished. joe will have that enthusiasm. he'll convey to the american person what this administration has done pulling us out of the brink of financial collapse, advancing the ball on health care and doing so many good things. a foreign policy record to be proud of. i think joe will sing that song loud and clear. >> i couldn't help but think about what you describe as your expectations of vice president biden. the title of your book, basically no wuss, he can't give the
you know joe biden very, very well. you have articles out there saying that the democrats want to make sure he's gaffe-proof. aside from that sidebar, we know that joe biden is formidable. >> joe is a great speaker, and in a debate format he is very disciplined. he'll be prepped. i don't think you'll see any gaffes, but you'll see a solid performance. he's strong and aggressive and most of the all he has what president obama lacked. when i ran for re-election, and i did it three times, i...